Monday, September 7, 2009

Is There Nether or Subterranean World Intercession?


Mary and I work in a healing ministry. I think that the most challenging of all diseases to see cured is cancer. Right now we are in prayer and ministry with about 5 or 6 people who have cancer. We have laid hands on most of them and have seen progression in healing to then see a vicious attack by the enemy and a regressing into the disease again. This shows me that cancer is just not a disease but a spirit, such as poverty. In Africa whenever we prayed for anyone who had AIDS they would fall to the ground and manifest demonically. AIDS likewise is a spirit.

I have busted my head in prayers asking God to show me what the common denominator with all of these people suffering from cancer is and why is there a complete lack of victory over it. The Lord tells us that He will give us good success in all that we put our hands to do in His Name, and this is why I have been so mystified.

Please look we me at the following scriptures out of Joshua and Judges.

Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make <06743> thy way prosperous <06743>, and then thou shalt have good success.


Judges 14:6 And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily <06743> upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid, and he had nothing in his hand: but he told not his father or his mother what he had done.

Judges 14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came <06743> upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father’s house.

Judges 15:14 And when he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily <06743> upon him, and the cords that were upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands loosed from off his hands.

Judges 18:5 And they said unto him, Ask counsel, we pray thee, of God, that we may know whether our way which we go shall be prosperous <06743>.

Strongs Number 06743 is the Hebrew Word “tsalach” which talks about success, prosperity and victory. It describes intended results coming to pass. In the passages pertaining to Samson in Judges, this “tsalach” victory and prosperity is part of the normal nature, function and anointing of the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit moves we must expect victory and success and evidence of intended results coming to pass.

As I was praying for these five or six people today and asking the Lord why the “tsalach” anointing of the Spirit was not being manifested in their lives I was blown away by what He told me.

I heard the words, “underneath the earth”.

I ran to my computer and found three scriptures which pertain to things, created things, and men underneath the earth.

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Revelation 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

In Philippians 2:10 the words “under the earth” are defined as the nether or subterranean world. I need to go deeper into prayer about this, but I have no doubt that there is demonic activity of some type underneath our inhabitable world which is nourishing disease upon the earth, especially cancer. More later as I seek the Lord on this.


To finalize with this quick blog entry, I have been likewise puzzled as to why there is a blockage of finances with believers, especially to those who are faithful in their tithes and offerings which come out of a generous heart. The Lord led me to Eph 6:12. Paul presents us here with a picture of activity in the 2nd heavens where the demonic dwells above the earth.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I was shown that finances were being stuck or attached by the demonic unto the walls of the second heavens and must be cut down with the sword of the Spirit which is the rhema Word of God or the voice of the Spirit


Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the (Rhema) word of God:

We see this same second heaven battle in the account of Daniel and Michael the arch angel. In this narrative a demonic host assigned to the land of Persia in the second heavens blocked the answer to Daniel’s prayer for three weeks.


Dan 10:11 And he said to me, O Daniel, you man dearly loved, take in the sense of the words I say to you and get up on to your feet: for to you I am now sent; and when he had said this to me I got on to my feet, shaking with fear.
12 Then he said to me, Have no fear, Daniel; for from the first day when you gave your heart to getting wisdom and making yourself poor in spirit before your God, your words have come to his ears: and I have come because of your words.
13 But the angel of the kingdom of Persia put himself against me for twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief angels, came to my help; and when I came he was still there with the angel of the kings of Persia.

I totally oppose and vehemently warn against haphazardly binding and casting down principalities and powers over city as I have seen some do. Everything in spiritual warfare must be done explicitly and cautiously by the rhema word of God. As a matter of fact, this sort of generic spiritual mapping of a region can be downright dangerous. I have never been led to pray like this in the thirty years which I have been a Christian.


I knew a wonderful man of God, a pastor, in NM who would go to Sedona, Arizona, camp out for a weekend, and perform spiritual warfare and spiritual mapping against its principalities and powers. Sedona is the new age capital of the USA. This pastor was found dead in his apartment about a month later, only in his 50’s, of burst intestines. We cannot battle and must not come against the powerful demonic realm of the second heavens in a haphazard fashion by the designs of our mind.

However, we must learn to do surgical intercession by the sword of the Spirit or the rhema word of God which is the voice of the Holy Spirit, not just upon the earth, but in the second heavens and now to my utter amazement apparently within the activity that is occurring underneath the earth. I have no doubt that something under the earth is feeding the plagues of cancer and who knows what else.

Any time that we are going into any intercession, specially the sword of the Spirit intercession, we must cover ourselves and our families and loved ones with the Blood of Jesus. There is no substitute to this! Time must be taken waiting in prayer until the Lord begins to speak specific words which will become our sword.


I believe that the next calling of the Church of Jesus Christ will be second heaven and probably subterranean, nether world “rhema word" intercession if we are to see total victory. This calling to us is one of total dedication and sanctification and maturing unto the things of the Lord Jesus, with no time for the things of this world.
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4 comments:

Unknown said...

Very revelationary,Thankyou so much!!

Anonymous said...

Hi John;

I pose to you that Miami is a difficult city where the spirit of witchcraft is very strong. It is a ruler spirit on this city. Because of the divergence of cultures, where the practice of witchcraft is a religion, miracles are manifested less frequently than in other parts of the country or the world. The battle has to be like you mention surgical in nature. With the practice of witchcraft come all sorts of vile spirits that plague people as a result of a curse (generational or personal) or an outright involvement in these practices. All diseases come from the spirit of infirmity which also works in conjunction with the spirit of poverty. So I believe that we must bind the spirit of witchcraft, infirmity and poverty first and then be lead by the Holy Spirit as to the specific circumstance of each individual.

Praying in one accord, with one voice and in one spirit is also extremely important. It is part of the surgical requirements. In Africa, people have no medical option when it comes to diseases, so a miracle and not chemotherapy and radiation is the only option. That is one of the reasons why there are so many miracles in Africa. So we should pray for a miracle and not for the chemotherapy to work.

As to the nether or subterranean world, there is the notion among some students of the concept of a pre-Adamic creation ( Gen 6:4). These Nephelim, which are mentioned throughout the bible might be the same beings referred by people who have had aliens encounters, possessing supernatural powers. In these alien encounters, people observed that these alien objects disappear beneath the oceans and beneath the earth. As for me, the jury is still out on this subject. You might check Chuck Missler’s “The return of the Nephilim” on his website; it might shed some light. Also some believe that Hell, Hades , Sheoul or whatever name you want to call it, is underneath the earth.

We live in a multidimensional world, but we are bound to one, the earth. Sedona is important to both the new agers as well as for some Christians. There seems to be a porthole to heaven or to other dimensions as the new agers call it. If we remember Jacobs ladder is easy to envision how in the process of getting our prayers and petitions to the Third Heaven( from where blessings are brought down to earth by angels) , we are going to encounter opposition as they pass by the Second Heaven where all the demonic activity happens. Now the word says “Whatever we should bind on heaven should be bound on earth and whatever we should loose on heaven should be loose on earth” This is how I see it; as we take our petitions to the throne of God we are going to encounter heavy opposition. Therefore, before we pray, petition or supplicate we must bind the opposition that we will certainly find along the way and loosen the blessings (healings, prosperity peace, joy etc..) over our lives and over the lives of the people we pray for. The best example as you already mentioned is when Daniel had to wait 21 days for the angel to bring down the answer to his prayer.

God Bless you

Vicky Alvarado

Tania said...

Yes i agree, this is very revelationary..i need to take sometime and read this again..

Anonymous said...

Stop begging.